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MG MGA - Exhaust Manifold Ceramic Coating

Just wondering how people are getting on with the ceramic coated exhaust manifold? I am aware that Colyn Firth did his. Is the heat dissipation good?

The reason I ask is that the high temperature paint I put on mine years ago (mainly for looks) has run its time. I am about to be unable to drive for the rest of the year (total knee replacement in next month) so was considering taking the manifold off and getting it treated whilst I am incapacitated.

That leads on to the next questions: Name and address of a quality company in the UK to do the ceramic coating? Is there a choice of colours? If so, which looks the best in the engine compartment and does the heat dissipation job most effectively ?

Thanks

Steve
Steve Gyles

I had mine treated here in Australia by a process called Jet Coat seven years ago now.

Various colours were available. My cylinder head guru arranged getting my exhaust manifold treated, at my request, though he was fully in support of getting it done.
I assumed he was getting it done in black or grey.
Don't assume anything: he requested gloss silver, which looks too ostentatious for my tastes.
I was told it would dull over time. It hasn't. In fact the finish remains as good as the day I received it back from being coated.
But the shiny silver finish is not too awful being mostly hidden behind the exhaust heat shield and other inlet paraphernalia.

The result was certainly worthwhile, with cooler under bonnet temperatures demonstrated by palpably less heat transfer into the cabin, and a diminished tendency to cough and splutter after restarting on a still hot engine, presumably due to diminished fuel bowl vaporisation.

The coating was not especially expensive, and I consider it to have been money very well spent.

Apologies for the upside down and sideways photos. I don't know why they are being loaded askew.






T Aczel

Try this.






Nigel Atkins

Hi Steve
I had both my exhaust and inlet manifolds ceramic coated when they were new. They are Maniflow tubular manifolds and I chose ceramic coating because I hoped to keep them in good condition for as long as I can. They were coated by Camcoat of Warrington Lancashire.
I looked for a Jetcoat provider in the UK at the time but I wasn't able to find one.

The coating does appear to radiate far less heat into the engine compartment and the sections visible from above appears to have stayed in good condition for over 4 years, but the section beneath the car has not survived the "grit-blasting" it has been subjected to down there, quite so well. So I may have to consider some other, more durable finish sometime in the future.

I chose a grey silk finish for the exhaust manifold and a black shiny finish for the inlet manifold.

I would have left the inlet manifold in its original shiny black painted finish but a really severe fuel leak actually partially stripped the paint from it and so I decided to have it ceramic coated too. It seems to still be as good as new.

Cheer
Colyn
Colyn Firth

Thanks Neil for dealing with my photo orientation issues with such alacrity!

I should also mention, I found it interesting that I can comfortably (lightly) touch my exhaust manifold with my finger when the engine is hot. I certainly wouldn't dare try that with a naked cast iron MGA exhaust manifold.
So there is no doubt whatsoever the coating very significantly reduces the amount of heat transferred through the manifold.

I hadn't considered coating the engine pipe too until I read what Colyn had written; or at least till I got to the part about the road gravel induced damage to the finish. This would certainly be an issue on our Australian roads.
(My brand new BMW i4 e Drive 40 picked up a flying stone that cracked the windscreen on the first weekend I took it out. I'm currently awaiting a replacement from Germany. ETA 8 weeks from ordering.
My MGA has also had a flying stone induced windscreen crack.
In both cases the offending stone seemingly "appeared out of nowhere".)




T Aczel

Warning - thread drift follows -

alacrity - I had to look that up, heard it before but had no idea what it meant. 😀

I used to think with the photos turned it was because the phone was held upside down but then later perhaps the programs used to present them, no real idea as I very rarely use a phone to take a photo.

You'd not want to replace one of these windscreens with sensors they can become very involved, must push up insurance premiums too. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1w5Kls0K2s

Back on thread, sort of, I'm with you about the exhaust manifold colour but it's hidden away so not so bad, at least you can see what's been spilt on it before you get the fumes from it burning off, or perhaps drying off in your case.

I split some 3-in-One light oil on the manifold and found that is best not to breath that in as it burns off.
Nigel Atkins

Thanks for comments to date. I'm still researching.

Steve
Steve Gyles

Hi Steve,
I had the exhaust and intake jet hot coated in the states. Heat was reduced under the bonnet and the tendency for the carb float bowls to heat up and boil over on hot days much improved. It's been 14 years since mine was done. The finish didn't really stand up to the test of time on the exhaust. I've got about 20k miles on the car since it was restored. For the price I paid it was worth it....and I'll probably freshen the exhaust coating sometime in the future. I'm building a coupe now and will definitely have that exhaust done. Just my 2 cents.
S

Hi Steve -- How's progress with the coupe---
William Revit

Hey Will! Got the motor in....after that its been going slow!
S

Cheers Steve--I know the feeling well, I just don't seem to be able to get on a roll at all with my car-Too much other stuff getting in the way
'Tis what it is
willy
William Revit

I have been in touch with the company Colyn used. This is the essence of their reply.

"No problem to coat your cast tubular exhaust. We have several finishes and levels of coating however for maximum insulation we would apply a single internal ceramic, external base ceramic plus 2-layers Black Satin top coats. Cost to prep and coat would be c.£220+V and carriage, if required. Current lead time is c.7-10 days from receipt. Did you have a particular finish in mind?"

Cost is much in line with what I was expecting. What do you all think about the suggested colour bearing in mind so little is actually seen when fitted? My original thought was a gun metal metal/dark grey.

Steve
Steve Gyles

Hi Steve,
I am over in Spain just now (for the first time in over 3 years because of Covid), and our Internet modem had given up the coast so I couldn't get online.

It is up and running again now (along with having to replace a gas heating boiler, air-con units, shower tap and the satelite TV receiver!)

So here is a pic I took of the grey silk finish on the exhaust manifold and the black shiny finish on the inlet manifold. Sorry if it isn't orientated correctly.

Cheers
Colyn


Colyn Firth

Looks nice Colyn. I am having the black satin coating. I sent the manifold to them today. Now to take advantage of a blank engine side; good clean up and change all the gaskets. Then it's an 8 week wait until I am fit again to put it all back together.

Steve
Steve Gyles

Just got the exhaust manifold back from Camcoat. Absolutely brilliant service. Many thanks to Colyn for the recommendation.

Nick Adams the workshop manager recommended the black satin ceramic finish for best thermal efficiency. Excellent chap to deal with if any of you want to go down the same route: nick@camcoat.com

It will likely be 6 weeks before I can fit and test drive (knee replacement only 5 days ago).

Steve


Steve Gyles

It looks great Steve,
your manifold is well away from the stone-chipping effect that the lower part of my tubular Maniflow unit and so it should last for years.

I decided to try the Camcoat ceramic coating on my new manifold to avoid the cracking problem that my old Moss tubular manifold had suffered from.
The old one had an exhaust wrap to help reduce under-bonnet temperatures but this caused it to crack due to overheating and I had to have it welded up a few times.

I removed the wrap and used a high-temperature spray paint to improve the appearance but this soon looked a real mess and so I had to live with the rust finish.

I wasn't entirely convinced that ceramic coating both the inside and outside surfaces would actually reduce the amount of heat radiating into the engine compartment, but it does seem to have worked.

The Maniflow manifold was an awkward shape to package up and so I decided to start at one end and wrap it up as it was.
I have posted a picture to show the end result, which still makes me chuckle when I look at it!

So how is your new knee going Steve?
I hope you have realised that having fitted an "aftermarket" knee, you are no longer built to Concours standards, which may affect your "agreed value"! :^)

I have just been put on the list to have a new left ankle joint fitted, so it may be a while before they can actually do it.
They have given me the option of having the ankle "fused", which I was initially against, but the doctor pointed out that my ankle is already virtually fused solid and so this may be what they decide to do.
Ah! the joys of getting old!

Cheers
Colyn




Colyn Firth

Colyn

Knee is making good progress. Only 5 days since the op but quite mobile and good flexibility already. It's not a part you can see so it shouldn't affect my concours status on that count. Rest of the body could let me down though. Lots of surface wrinkling!

Steve
Steve Gyles

Starting to get my engine back together after my knee op. I can only lean forward over the engine compartment for about 20 minutes.

Photos show the ceramic coated (inside and out) exhaust manifold.

I am fully aware of all the non standard items and attachment points of other bits and pieces. A story or reason for them all.

Steve





Steve Gyles

Glad to hear that you are recovering from having an "aftermarket" knee joint fitted to the Gyles suspension.
It sounds like it has been a real success and I am delighted for you.

No news on my ankle op yet, so I have to dose up with aspirin and paracetamol if I have some walking or long range driving to do.

Your exhaust manifold looks great Steve and I am looking forward to hearing your opinion about its heat dissipating properties.

I was very sceptical about this, I still find it difficult to believe that a thin layer of ceramic enamel can help like this, but it does appear to work.

Also, the finish seems to be surviving well, which for me was the main reason for choosing the ceramic coating.

Cheers
Colyn



Colyn Firth

All good news. Finally got the engine assembled. I managed to lower myself into the cockpit. Knee bend is tight getting in and I think I'm on the limit (125 degrees of bend at the moment). Car started on the button. Test run later but all looks good so far.

I noticed on Wheeler Dealers that they sung the praises of ceramic coating, saying it could reduce the engine compartment temp by about 30 degrees (Jaguar 4.2C). Looking forward to gauging my own opinion.

Steve
Steve Gyles

B****r. Went for a test drive. Car felt great. Drove into garage, then spotted the trail of oil on the drive. Seems one of the tappet cover gaskets I replaced blew in a big way. Complete removal of the hot side of the engine reqired to see what has happened. Not a happy Teddy. I could only put it back together in short stints because of my knee. Now back to square one. However, I was able to touch and just about hold the manifold after a 5 mile run.

Steve
Steve Gyles

That's bad luck Steve, you were fortunate though to find a long enough gap in that long spell of freezing weather, so that you didn't die of exposure!

Are you going to go back to the cork tappet cover gaskets again?

When I work on my engine from above, I usually jack the front of the car up so that my back doesn't suffer so badly.

The problem is that I now need a jack for me to help me get up from the garage floor!

have a great Christmas everyone,
Cheers
Colyn
Colyn Firth

That's why I said get the ones that fit!
Dominic Clancy

Dominic

Do you have details for the supplier of correct fitting gaskets? Like a lot of these items you only find out when they arrive. The cork ones I got purporting to be for the B engine were not the best fit I will agree. They required quite a bit of 'easing' before I got what I thought was a snug fit - but obviously not!

Going out into the garage shortly to dismantle and analyse the problem.

Steve
Steve Gyles

I see only one Yank who has contributed to this thread. Mr. Devine, can you recommend the company who coated your exhaust manifold, and give me what you remember of their name and location?

Many thanks,
Thad's Dad in Lexington, VA

John Bissett

Hi John,
Here are the people I went with....It was a long time ago. Give them a call. They were easy to deal with back in the day! I would recommend them!





https://www.jet-hot.com/contact-us

S

S.D.,
Thanks for the very informative discussion, and for the contact link.
John
John Bissett

No worries...goodluck!
S

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